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Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby calimonster » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:37 am

okay, maybe I'm just a wimp although I don't think that's the case.
My 2 year old rescue does not walk easily on a leash. She pulls a lot, and I mean a lot. We can't use a collar because she just pulls her big ole apple head right through it. We started with the sporn harness with the mesh front piece but that was no help. She pulls like she is trying to pull a dogsled... she gets her whole body into it. I have had dogs who were not properly leash trained who pulled but this is whole different story.
We switched to a kong heavier harness with a padded breast plate with no change. Only now she manages a houdini act and pulls herself out of the harness and takes off (scary). I am confident we have the right size harness and that it's adjusted correctly but with her big chest, she manages to lean into something (yesterday a low limb on a pine tree) and slide back out through it.
I tried a harness where the leash attaches in the front and she just keeps pulling, although at more of an angle. My husband is a big guy, 6'4" and 275lbs and she pulls him too, although not quite as bad as me. We have tried "just stop until the leash goes slack and don't walk" but that changes nothing; she just patiently waits before pulling again.
Background: she had been abandoned in a locked apartment for a couple weeks, then "rescued" and chained outside before being re-rescued. She really like to run. We go for a long walk every day and by the time we're done, my back is killing me. My hubby's method is "let her pull until she's tired herself out" but that method doesnt seem to make a difference either.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't want her daily walk to mean her tiring herself out until she is panting so hard she is completely worn out.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby Team Peanut » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:51 am

Harnesses make pulling worse.
sounds to me she needs obedience training and a martingale collar. My dog was a puller until e went to obedience school (I still take him weekly because obedience its never over imo and he will be 4 next month). He now has a perfect hell and walking with him its relaxing. He still enjoys his walks more so now because he isn't choking himself out.
Harnesses encourage pulling. A Martingale collar won't let her head slip out of the collar if she backs up.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby dogs4jen » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:24 am

You could also try a head collar, like a halti or gentle leader, although they aren't magic bullets either. lol
They are such strong dogs, it's really hard when they are pulling you.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby calimonster » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:04 pm

I got a martingale collar and tried it on our evening walk. Just to be safe, I still put her harness on her. I'm sure we looked weird.. I had a leash on the collar and used a longer lead on the harness so I could keep slack in it but still use it as a backup. I hate that she would choke and cough but even after a few minutes, I think she was getting the idea. But I could almost see the wheels turning while she was trying to figure out how to get out of it. Thanks and I will gladly takeany more ideas or suggestions.

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Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby Stormi » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:18 pm

Rewarding for a loose leash, attention and one of these...http://www.wonderwalkerbodyhalter.com/... will do the trick quite nicely.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby Shearaha1 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:58 am

I've had really good luck with this one.... http://www.wiggleswagswhiskers.com/news ... arness.htm
Will still pulls a little every now and then. But the harness in addition to rewarding him for a loos lead and paying attention to me when we're walking has been great. It's really helpful when he has one of his reactive fits because I can pull him down and back with it if I have to. We're going to be integrating a Gentle Leader as well. Between the two I figure I can handle even his worst reactions.

Both the Freedom Harness and the Gentle Leader so require some training for the dog to accept them since the harness has to go over their head and the Gentle Leader goes on their face. But Will give me a very nice CER every time I pull out either 8)

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby PitBull-Lady » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:16 pm

Because i've contributed to about every one of these posts... I thought my lessons from Capone might be of help. Just tonight, I thought ... WOW! He's so 'easy'! lol
There is hope


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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby dogs4jen » Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:25 pm

Just to add one more in the mix of harnesses, I ordered a front clip harness from Hello Bully, which they say doesn't have the slider loop the regular Premier ones do. I just thought I would try it first because it was a less expensive than the wiggles etc one, and also I wanted one of their magnets. lol

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby PitBull-Lady » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:39 pm

dogs4jen wrote:Just to add one more in the mix of harnesses, I ordered a front clip harness from Hello Bully, which they say doesn't have the slider loop the regular Premier ones do. I just thought I would try it first because it was a less expensive than the wiggles etc one, and also I wanted one of their magnets. lol


lol
An item of note though, somewhere in these posts you'll see bunch of us talking about the harnesses and how our sweet little ones wiggle out of them. Just beware that this kind of harness seems to help the Houdini effect. You can try to put them on in reverse, but honestly, I think it's just as bad and did not help my doofus dogs.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby dogs4jen » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:25 am

I will definitely keep that in mind. I will use some sort of backup for sure, maybe I should get one of those double snap leashes from Ella's.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby calimonster » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:32 am

Still using the harness and the martingale collar. Tonight I was able to see her as she tried to escape the harness. She ran then stopped, immediately jumped around so her head was facing me and tried pulling her whole body backwards through it and since the leash had gone taut, I was actually pulling it off her. With the combo of the harness and collar, she couldn't do it and if a dog could curse, she would have cussing like crazy cuz she was mad!

Searched online for the wiggles, wags harness. In the where to buy page, I was surprised that a pet store about 1/2 mile from me was listed as a retailer. I stopped there on the way home and the owner said, "Oh, yeah, I love their stuff, still using collars I bought from them years ago but I haven't sold them in about ten years" Okay, I'm a little confused but okay.

I know that neither she nor I will learn this overnight but geez, this pulling is starting to hurt, emotionally and physically.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby dogs4jen » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:03 am

Here's a site where you can order one: 2houndsdesign.com

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby starrlamia » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:01 pm

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/541

http://www.clickersolutions.com/article ... ltotal.htm

I highly recommend using an oscar or liberty attachment from ella's lead when using a harness.
http://ellaslead.com/inc/sdetail/34/1609

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby dogs4jen » Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:08 pm

They also have a two-snap lead that would work too, the Sam's Backup. A carabiner works fine as a backup for the gentle leader, but obviously wouldn't work for a harness.
I hope something starts to work for you, I know what you mean about it taking a toll on you.

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Re: Need harness help for serious puller!

Postby heartbullies » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:21 pm

We use carabiners with EZ Walk, Sensible, and Sensation front-clip harnesses. The backup collar is a martingale. Also you can just clip the leash to the martingale's "active" D ring and also to the front D ring on the harness. The collar has lots of play from the martingale part and can rotate and doesn't seem to interfere with either of the above-listed types of harnesses.

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